New and replicating some patches - help
FMisnotDead | Hi, I just got going with the Essence and am looking to recreate patches from the Arturia DX7 on it. I think this will really help me learn this synth. Of course, they are not the same in how they are programmed, so i'd like to see if anyone can help me. One of the patches I really want to recreate is a pad called Moving 5th. Not sure if any of you have it, but if you can take a look and walk me though how to copy it into the Essence, that would be awesome. Or if you just make an Essence patch that I can download, that would be great too. I don't want to just import a dx7 patch, since I am sure it will not be the same and I will have to rework it anyway. I'd rather learn how to program this synth. Just to be able to open the patch and look at it's settings compared to the one on the Arturia may really help me out a lot. If anyone has done this and has some tips on how to match the envelopes and operators, that would also be very helpful. |
Avi F | Essence fm supports import of .syx files .. I've not yet tried to import dx7 sounds as I don't have dexed or a dx7 to try it. That would be one current way but mileage on that may vary. It also imports .wav files but I.. I'm not sure but maybe those are for just single cycle (base) waveforms? |
| FMisnotDead | Yeah I’ll give the sysex import a shot when I figure it out. Maybe that will get me somewhat close. |
| Avi F | I don't know if patch A5 on EssenceFM mkii, called "Essence moves +K" qualifies as being similar to the sound you're looking for. I tried looking for the sound demo of 'moving 5th' but havent found any examples. Please share if you have one, I like trying the challenge of reproducing sounds. |
| FMisnotDead | Here I made this for you. Chords followed by single notes. Hopefully that helps. I also took a pic of the synth so you can see the algo used, and how the envelopes on the modulators were set. The one I took a picture of is the most complex envelope, 4 and 5 are absolute, more up and down - what you would expect for pad movement. Starting to think I may be able to get closer to replicating this myself, now that I've spent more time with the EssenceFm. Either way, I think patches like this sound amazing on FM synths. |
| FMisnotDead | The patch itself. |
| Avi F | Its not very close and the algo is different, voice B27 "cocovid in the noze" uses Algo number 4 on the kodamo synth, but sound wise, its not very far off. Added chorus for insert fx1, and selected shimmer, for insert fx2 and maximized those. It also uses all ratios of 1 on the essencefm, so in terms of fm its set up different, but the sound is to me at least, not far off. Im presuming the base waveform on each op is all sine waves but, as a start, I experimented with that preset, added a mod slot also for the shimmer effect to one of the envelopes possibly, so it delays a bit from note start. |
Summa | This is funny, since I created that factory preset, unfortunately I don't own an Essence FM, it's not pure DX FM and the DX7 V provides a filter and Feedback per Operator, so you would have to improvise a bit to recreate this sound. Maybe using a layer for the Operator 2->1 and the 4+5+6->3 lines will do. It's kind of inspired by the D50 Soundtrack Sound. The Moving 5th is used at the beginning of this tutorial video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n3WI057D9s |
| FMisnotDead | <blockquote>Its not very close and the algo is different, voice B27 "cocovid in the noze" uses Algo number 4 on the kodamo synth, but sound wise, its not very far off. Added chorus for insert fx1, and selected shimmer, for insert fx2 and maximized those. It also uses all ratios of 1 on the essencefm, so in terms of fm its set up different, but the sound is to me at least, not far off. Im presuming the base waveform on each op is all sine waves but, as a start, I experimented with that preset, added a mod slot also for the shimmer effect to one of the envelopes possibly, so it delays a bit from note start.</blockquote> Did you mean to post an attachment? I can't see it in your post, if so. To answer your question, yes it is all Sines. <blockquote>This is funny, since I created that factory preset, unfortunately I don't own an Essence FM, it's not pure DX FM and the DX7 V provides a filter and Feedback per Operator, so you would have to improvise a bit to recreate this sound. Maybe using a layer for the Operator 2->1 and the 4+5+6->3 lines will do. It's kind of inspired by the D50 Soundtrack Sound. The Moving 5th is used at the beginning of this tutorial video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n3WI057D9s </blockquote> Pretty great that you happened to see this post! I love this patch, you really made a great one. Glad Arturia realized that and lead off that product video with it. And yes, you are right, the EssenceFM does not have a filter per operator. Kind of like you were inspired by the D-50 Soundtrack (another amazing patch) and made a Dx7 version of it, I'd like to see if I can make an EssenceFM version of yours. These types of Chord/Pads are some of my favorite sounds, so just learning some of the envelope tricks and modulations to make them sound so rich and lifelike is what I am going to attempt. Not sure if you have a website or anything but I'd love to check out your other synth presets sometime. |
| Avi F | Sorry yeah it's the factory sound in the essence fm, on the voice mode. I just switched fx2 to shimmer . Different envelopes can't put into one image. I think with multiple layers different filters could be applied , the sound comes much closer. it may only have a shared filter for the 6 operators, but, you can stack operator groups many times, in a patch which each would have different filter and associated env and lfo. |
| Summa | <blockquote>Pretty great that you happened to see this post! I love this patch, you really made a great one. Glad Arturia realized that and lead off that product video with it. And yes, you are right, the EssenceFM does not have a filter per operator. Kind of like you were inspired by the D-50 Soundtrack (another amazing patch) and made a Dx7 version of it, I'd like to see if I can make an EssenceFM version of yours. These types of Chord/Pads are some of my favorite sounds, so just learning some of the envelope tricks and modulations to make them sound so rich and lifelike is what I am going to attempt. Not sure if you have a website or anything but I'd love to check out your other synth presets sometime.</blockquote> It's not by mistake that I'm attending this forum, since Kodamo tend to to some offers for their synths by the end of the year and I kind of hope for another Infini anouncement ;) I studied the manual of the Essence FM when it came out and attended the associated thread within the german synthesizer Forum, so I pretty much have an overfiew about it's abilities. I tend to find and use the sweetspots and special ability of a synth rather than copying certain settings, so this might be not the sound to learn a lot about FM in general. So for one thing you probably can not copy the patch 1:1 on the other hand their might be other ways to create a very similar sound with the Essence FM. I tried to analyse my old sound yesterday, it's using a rather simple 2->1 as ground/steady base for the sound to compensate for the at LFO speed moving fixed frequency waveshaping carrier (Op3) of the more complex part that is using feedback and filter for the rather overtone rich moving part of the sound. I tend to reserve/add quite some stuff for the macros that isn't needed otherwise, since I'm kind of a macro junkie, what is - especially in combination with the FM - a good thing. A feedback/saw modulator on a fixed feedback/saw fixed carrier can lead to PWM type stuff, I guess that was my intention and besides using 5th would match to the D50 inspiration. D50 Soundtrack Factory Sound wise, I kind of got some of the synths I wasn't able to afford when they were new and I was a student pretty inexpensive while the 00s, for instance a D550, TX802, TG77. Website wise I really should renew it one day, a friend created it for both of us, the mail function is damaged and the demos aren't exactly recent. Just checked, unfortunately it seem to be down... But my Facebook account is still kind of valid ;) I'm not exactly a good salesman I guess. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057157852573 Anyway, I did Factory/additional Presets for a few plugins, so the chances are good you know some of them. FM7, FM8, Massive, Kore 2, Razor, FMHeaven, Operator, Albino, Octopus, Alpha 3, Absynth, Tera, Cube, Komplexer, VAZ Modular, microTera Keys edition, Tassman Keys edition, Wusikstation, Simpler, Vokator, ZeroVector, Synth1, OXE-FM, Monark, Kontour, DX7 V, Pigments, Martinic AX73 |
| FMisnotDead | <blockquote>Sorry yeah it's the factory sound in the essence fm, on the voice mode. I just switched fx2 to shimmer . Different envelopes can't put into one image. I think with multiple layers different filters could be applied , the sound comes much closer. it may only have a shared filter for the 6 operators, but, you can stack operator groups many times, in a patch which each would have different filter and associated env and lfo.</blockquote> Yeah that patch does have potential. I realized that I don't really know the envelopes or filter well enough at all yet. For example, I don't understand the blue line and how the sound sometimes starts or stops there. Not sure how to change that either. i also just don't understand the filter at all, the shape of it does not compute with my brain, I am so used to seeing the more standard filter shape, like on the arturia Dx7. It also has that blue line, that I need to figure out. Short story I could not even get close to the sound I wanted so I'll study the manual more and try and get a good understanding of how the filter and envelopes work. <blockquote>I tend to find and use the sweetspots and special ability of a synth rather than copying certain settings, so this might be not the sound to learn a lot about FM in general. So for one thing you probably can not copy the patch 1:1 on the other hand their might be other ways to create a very similar sound with the Essence FM.</blockquote> Yes, for sure. I just like that style of detuned,lush pad/chord. Your preset just happens to be one my favorites and I wanted to try and use it as a guide to getting something similar on the Essence. I'll keep practicing, I have a lot of work to do. |
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